An argument for a Gyalwa Karmapa without borders? / Un argument en faveur d’un Karmapa sans frontières?

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Chogyam Trungpa in introducting us to Rangjung Rikpe Dorje back in 1976 at Tail of the Tiger in Barnet, Vermont, spoke of the Gyalwa Karmapas as being not a Tibetan phenomena so much as a phenomena of the borderlands of Tibet, China, India, and Nepal, the natural habitat of so many Gyalwa Karmapas of the past, which almost forty years later with Ogyen Trinley Dorje now includes the West, in particular, America today, the new frontier for the Gyalwa Karmapas as such.

I was reminded of this while reading an article from Jinba Tenzin, “Borders, Ethnicity and Critical Scholarship“, which I submit for your consideration as it pertains to our understanding of the Gyalwa Karmapas, their past, present and future, specifically, what Ogyen Trinley Dorje being in America means to us.

I’ve been waiting for this day, personally, since 1981. It has been a process that has preoccupied me ever since. I never thought I’d live to see the day. I almost didn’t. That being said I never doubted this day, that the swan would someday return to the lake.

I dare say that in 2015 what Trungpa was so bold as to declare with Rangung Rikpe Dorje’s coming to America back in 1970’s America, that America is the natural habitat of the Gyalwa Karmapas as were the borderlands of Tibet were for past Gyalwa Karmapas, has with Ogyen Trinley Dorje today become the new normal for the Gyalwa Karmapas moving forward. At least I believe so.

Karmapa Chenno!

Chogyam Trungpa en nous introducting à Rangjung Rikpe Dorje en 1976 à Tail of the Tiger à Barnet, Vermont, a parlé de la Gyalwa Karmapa comme n’étant pas un phénomène tibétains tellement comme un des phénomènes des confins du Tibet, Chine, Inde, et le Népal, l’habitat naturel de tant Gyalwa Karmapa du passé, dont près de 40 années plus tard avec Ogyen Trinley Dorje comprend maintenant l’Occident, en particulier, l’Amérique d’aujourd’hui, la nouvelle frontière pour le Gyalwa Karmapa en tant que telle.

Je me suis souvenu de ce tout en lisant un article de Jinba Tenzin, «Les frontières, l’ethnicité et la Bourse critique», que je soumets à votre attention que ce qui a trait à notre compréhension du Gyalwa Karmapa, leur passé, présent et futur, précisément, ce Ogyen Trinley Dorje étant en Amérique signifie pour nous.

J’ai attendu ce jour, personnellement, depuis 1981. Il a été un processus qui me préoccupe depuis. Je n’ai jamais pensé que je vivrais pour voir le jour. J’ai failli n’ai pas. Cela étant dit je n’ai jamais douté de ce jour, que le cygne serait un jour retourner au lac.

J’ose dire que en 2015 ce Trungpa était assez hardi pour déclarer avec Rangung Rikpe Dorje de venir en Amérique avant 1970 en Amérique, que l’Amérique est l’habitat naturel de la Gyalwa Karmapa comme les confins du Tibet étaient pour passé Gyalwa Karmapa, a avec Ogyen Trinley Dorje aujourd’hui devenu la nouvelle norme pour le Gyalwa Karmapa aller de l’avant. Au moins, je crois que oui.

Karmapa Chenno!

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22 responses to “An argument for a Gyalwa Karmapa without borders? / Un argument en faveur d’un Karmapa sans frontières?

  1. Rigdzin

    Thank you for posting this.

    It highlights (and underscores) my long standing feeling that we in the west are barbarians in relation to the Tibetans. That the United States occupies this marginal location as a border area- the wild border of spirituality is accurate.

    Karmapa has come here to teach us compassion and remind us that our wasteful thinking as it relates to Mother Earth is killing our World.

    He is taming us and it feels so powerful.

  2. Karma Tashi Namgyal

    First legit solar cell was invented by Bell Labs …

    • Rigdzin

      That might be true, yet the Western ignorant view that the Earth is ours to use has been the ugly imperitve that Karmapa and other Tibetans are trying to counter.

      Global warming wouldn’t be such a significant problem if Western countries has been more compassionate from the get go.

      We are barbarians who are being tamed by Tibetans.

      • Karma Tashi Namgyal

        I don’t think you can blame the people of the past because of ignorance.
        But even in that ignorance, domestic refrigeration was introduced in 1913.

        That being said – First, I am not sure you understand the current views of ecology and systems. Second, I would argue you are using an outdated paradigm of East v. West.

  3. Technology has more than proven itself as an advantage to this planet. It eases suffering from illness and people are healthier. Last I heard, they have made a huge break through with Altzheimers.

    When this world becomes over-populated, it is technology that will create an agricultural system, a housing system, and fresh water distribution that will sustain us.

    To only look at the negative aspects is hardly Buddhist and completely idiotic. It is an excuse for elitism.

    Time and again, solutions to repair whatever damage is done by technological ADVANCES gone awry are implemented.

    The world will go on. That’s for certain. Along with the idiocy of people who want to live in an archaic age.

    • Warrenz

      So are you arguing that we can do whatever we want to the planet because our technological ingenuity will always get us out of trouble? That seems a fairly risky bet. And one we might have already lost. Mother Nature doesn’t appear to suffer fools gladly.

  4. No, I am not arguing that we should not be conscientious but we can’t sit our hands either. That was an unfair response. You twisted the argument to seem absurd.

    There is nothing wrong with technology and unless you are the only human to never make a mistake, it is fair to expect mistakes from technology.

    The remarkable thing about people IS that they can fix their mistakes. Don’t be a jerk and expect people to be perfect before doing anything. That’s all your argument is saying.

    Technology is an asset. Just because sometimes it backfires, doesn’t mean we should all just sit in a field and look at clouds.

  5. What are you regarding as noise?

    • Rigdzin

      All of the suffering that plagues you.

      • Rigdzin

        Funny that everyone has to check.

        This bunch seems to be about quality assurance, which is good. That said, Lama Shang often reminds us that all practitioners are different and that’s a good thing. So, I appreciate your concern, but I’m okay.

  6. I am not concerned, I am curious and would like to know more about what your understanding of Dharma is. Honestly, I don’t think there is a right or wrong answer. I will always see my Dharma differently and I wouldn’t want it otherwise. I’m sure you are okay and this has nothing to do with challenging you. Personally, I don’t think suffering should be avoided altogether and I don’t see how we can help each other without it. That’s a long story though.

    One thing I do know, is that no one, not even a Rinpoche or the Dalai Lama himself has convinced me that I need to view others as barbarians so, I never get that argument. Or, more precisely, I can’t condone it. I just know too many good people, non-buddhist people, to regard them as such.

    As far as what he can do here, I think he’s just starting and I do hope that he will dismiss much of the preconceptions that seems to be developing between the two cultures. It’s really a matter of communication and people not understanding what’s really at the heart of it all.

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