Why the Indian Government refuses to allow Ogyen Trinley Dorje to visit Sikkim…

Picture of a map of Sikkim the old man instagramed to illustrate this episode of Pulp Buddhism in which the Naropa Prairie Dog Players discuss why the Indian Government refuses to allow Ogyen Trinley Dorje to visit his predecessor’s monastic seat there…

Virginia begins.

“It’s all the Sharmapa’s fault.”

Caroline replies.

“Old habits die hard.”

Virginia replies.

“Obviously, I’m joking.”

Sally replies.

“I don’t get it.”

Caroline replies.

“Rinpoche passed last year.”

Virginia replies.

“Too soon?”

Karl replies.

“Don’t quit your day job.”

Jonathan replies.

“All you have to do is look at a map of Sikkim to see why the Indian Government doesn’t want Ogyen Trinley Dorje to visit the place.”

Sally replies.

“What am I supposed to be seeing?”

Allen replies.

“The further north you get the more Tibetan the place names become.”

Jonathan replies.

“As far as China is concerned the Tibetan part of Sikkim is historically part of Tibet.”

Jonathan continues.

“And Tibet is part of China.”

Jonathan adds.

“At least as far as China is concerned.”

Sally adds.

“Tibetans beg to differ.”

Caroline replies.

“That’s the problem the Indian Government has with Ogyen Trinley Dorje visiting Sikkim.”

Jonathon continues.

“His faction of the Karma Kagyu sect accepts that Tibet is part of China.”

Caroline replies.

“China didn’t just allow Ogyen Trinley Dorje to be enthroned at Tsurphu monastery in occupied Tibet for nothing.”

End scene. Fini.

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8 responses to “Why the Indian Government refuses to allow Ogyen Trinley Dorje to visit Sikkim…

  1. Yes you got it! And because Shamarpa said it from the beginning he was demonized. (But actually he helped Ogyen Trinle: I know from the famous well informed sources that he asked the Indian government to allow Ogyen Trinle visit Amrica in 2013 (?)
    Read the Rao Report to the Indian Government and then you know why the Indians didn’t allow him to go to Rumtek. https://karmapaissue.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/k_shreedhar_rao-s_report_on_rumtek_-_1998.pdf

    • Jonathan replies.

      “Rinpoche put a good word in on behalf of His Holiness with the Indian Government in 2008.”

      Jonathan continues.

      “OTD being allowed to visit us in 2008 had nothing to do with this.”

      Caroline replies.

      “We have the Chinese Government to thank for that.”

      Sally replies.

      “How do you figure that?”

      Caroline replies.

      “China agreed that Sikkim is part of India.”

      Caroline continues.

      “And the travel restrictions were lifted.”

      Sally replies.

      “I don’t know if you are right or not.”

      Sally continues.

      “It could just be a coincidence.”

      Jonathan replies.

      “In 2008 China invaded Sikkim, the PLA actually crossed the border.”

      Caroline replies.

      “It was a thing.”

      Caroline continues.

      “Unlike Shamar Rinpoche being responsible for the Indian Government allowing His Holiness to visit us in 2008.”

  2. Meghan

    If China has given up it’s claim to Sikkim, why would OTD not be allowed to visit?

    • Caroline replies.

      “They acknowledged that Sikkim is part of India.”

      Jonathan replies.

      “Their claim remains.”

      Caroline replies.

      “China agreed to not violate Indian sovereignty.”

      Jonathan replies.

      “In response India allowed His Holiness permission to travel.”

      Caroline continues.

      “A step in the right direction.”

      Jonathan replies.

      “From the perspective of the Chinese.”

      • Jenn

        So there is no chance that he will be able to visit, no? Why are you so against it? Whould he better off living here?

        What about Canada?

        • Caroline replies.

          “The Chinese very much want Ogyen Trinley Dorje to succeed.”

          Jonathan replies.

          “It is only a matter of time before China’s use of soft power prevails in Sikkim.”

          Caroline replies.

          “That’s China’s advantage.”

          Jonathan replies.

          “Just follow the money.”

  3. Sounds good, but China already accepted Sikkim being part of India in 2005: http://archive.thedailystar.net/2005/04/12/d50412130188.htm

    • Caroline replies.

      “In 2008 the China violated India’s sovereignty.”

      Allen replies.

      “Well played, China.”

      Jonathan replies.

      “I remember it well.”

      Caroline replies.

      “Shamar Rinpoche had nothing to do with Ogyen Trinley Dorje being allowed to visit us in 2008.”

      Jonathan continues.

      “I met Rinpoche at Zion in 1981.”

      Allen replies.

      “They had a moment.”

      Allen adds.

      “We aren’t Shamarpa haters here.”

      Virginia replies.

      “Speak for yourself.”

      Jonathan replies.

      “Rinpoche putting in a good word for Ogyen Trinley Dorje with the Indian Government in 2008 did not result in His Holiness being allowed to visit the United States.”

      Caroline replies.

      “Ogyen Trinley Dorje is China’s choice for 17th Karmapa.”

      Jonathan adds.

      “The Indian Government didn’t need Shamar Rinpoche to tell them this.”

      Caroline replies.

      “Ogyen Trinley Dorje didn’t escape occupied Tibet.”

      Caroline replies.

      “We have Mr. Chen Lu-an to thank for that.”

      Jonathan replies.

      “The Indian Government didn’t need Shamar Rinpoche to tell them a 14 year old Ogyen Trinley Dorje didn’t arrange for himself to be choppered out of occupied Tibet.”

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