Chogyam Trungpa on what characterizes a saint in his Crazy Wisdom tradition of Buddhism…

Picture of Chogyam Trungpa the old man instagramed to illustrate this episode of Pulp Buddhism in which the Naropa Prairie Dog Players do a dramatic reading from volume five of Rinpoche’s collected works, in his own words…

Allen begins.

“Let’s talk about this as a possible approach, that of trying to live what you are, this possibility connected with seeing our confusion, or misery and pain, but not making those discoveries into an answer.”

Caroline replies.

“Without looking for an answer, instead, we explore further and further and further,
a process of working with ourselves, with our lives, with our psychology, without looking for an answer but seeing things as they are—seeing what goes on in our heads directly and simply, absolutely literally.

Allen replies.

“If we can undertake a process like that, then there is a tremendous possibility that our confusion—the chaos and neurosis that go on in our minds—might become a further basis for investigation.”

Caroline replies.

“Further and further and further we look.”

Allen replies.

“We don’t make a big point or an answer out of any one thing.”

Allen continues.

“For example, we might think that because we have discovered one particular thing that is wrong with us, that must be it, that must be the problem, that must be the answer.”

Caroline replies.


Allen replies.

“We don’t fixate on that, we go further, “why is that the case?”, we look further and further, we ask, “why is this so? why is there spirituality? why is there awakening? why is there this moment of relief? why is there such a thing as discovering the pleasure of spirituality? why, why, why?”, we go on deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper, until we reach the point where there is no answer.”

Caroline replies.

“There is not even a question.”

Caroline pauses.

“Both question and answer die simultaneously at some point.”

Allen replies.

“They begin to rub each other too closely and they short-circuit each other in some way.”

Allen pauses.

“At that point, we tend to give up hope of an answer, or of anything whatsoever, for that matter, we have no more hope, none whatsoever, Ee are purely hopeless.”

Caroline replies.

“We could call this transcending hope, if you would like to put it in more genteel terms.”

Allen replies.

“Hopelessness is the essence of crazy wisdom, it is hopeless, utterly hopeless, it is beyond hopelessness.”

Caroline replies.

“Of course, it would be possible, if we tried to turn that hopelessness itself into some kind of solution, to become confused again, to say the least.”

Allen replies.

“The process is one of going further in and in and in without any reference point of spirituality, without any reference point of a savior, without any reference point of goodness or badness—without any reference points whatsoever!”

Carolyn replies.

“Finally, we might reach the basic level of hopelessness, of transcending hope.”

Sally replies.

“Does this mean we end up as zombies?”

Caroline replies.

“We still have all the energies; we have all the fascination of discovery, of seeing this process unfolding and unfolding and unfolding, going on and on.”

Allen replies.

“This process of discovery automatically recharges itself so that we keep going deeper and deeper and deeper.”

Allen pauses.

“This process of going deeper and deeper is the process of crazy wisdom, and it is what characterizes a saint in the Buddhist tradition.”

End scene. Fini.

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One response to “Chogyam Trungpa on what characterizes a saint in his Crazy Wisdom tradition of Buddhism…

  1. You know what I’m going to do? I’m going to make a Buddhist crossword, with my own little surprise. Every single question will be “What is your name?” I’ll just say, “Here, when you can fill in all the answers, boom – you’re enlightened.”

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