The Karma Kagyu sect is bought and paid for by the Chinese Government

Dear Readers,

What I’m talking about is not the Karma Kagyu lineage, I’m talking about a group of men who collaborated with China’s occupation of Tibet who have accumulated billions of dollars in return for doing so.

The Panama Papers are but the tip of the iceberg.

We can no longer presume that these men have anything to do with the Karma Kagyu lineage which came to us from Tibet in the late 20th century which those of us that consider ourselves to be Karma Kagyu hold dear.




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14 responses to “The Karma Kagyu sect is bought and paid for by the Chinese Government

  1. Martin

    These are not men you describe but opportunistic locusts obsessed with money, power, real estate and fame.

    Some of these scoundrels include:

    Ponlop Rinpoche
    Dilyak Drubon Rinpoche
    Situ Rinpoche
    Shamar Rinpoche
    Akong Rinpoche
    Thrangu Rinpoche
    Khenpo Karthar Rinpoche

    Who else? Who is missing?

    • Martin,

      I am not willing to characterize these men as such.

      What matters to me is that they collaborated with China’s occupation.

      The money only proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is so.


      • Martin


        I just culled the list from the characters that are very often associated with throwing the lineage under the bus in following China’s lead in making OTD the 17th Karmapa here on your blog. Through years of dedicated exploration you’ve effectively shown this to be the case. That’s all. Calling them locusts was my flourish- while you haven’t used the word yourself, you’ve proved this beyond a reasonable doubt. For this I thank you.

        Now, back to my question: who else have we forgotten? Who has evaded notice?


        • Martin,

          Is being a “collaborator” outside the scope of a holder of our lineages dharma activity?

          I think not.

          Marpa, Milarepa, and so on, were no saints.

          The succession of Karmapas, children put on thrones by men who did so by means far worse than those employed by Thrangu Rinpoche when he collaborated with the Chinese government to make Ogyen Trinley Dorje the 17th Karmapa, is what it is, the reason why I, as a Karma Kagyu take such as to not mistake the Karma Kagyu sect and its succession of Karmapas with the Karma Kagyu lineage, the spiritual practices of which I have dedicated my life to as a dharma practitioner.

          Let us not forget that to make Rangjung Rikpe Dorje the 16th Karmapa a child was murdered, thrown from the roof of a monastery, simply for being put forth as the reincarnation of the 15th Karmapa.

          I leave it to history, and the Tibetan people whom Thrangu Rinpoche betrayed to make Ogyen Trinley Dorje the 17th Karmapa, to judge him and his creatures for what they have done.

          You are of course free to compile your list if you so wish.

          Let it be your thing alone, it is not mine, and good luck with that.


          • Martin


            I do not disagree with your reading if the historical record. I am surprised, though, by your pulling back from a list of ‘collaborators’, especially as you have already implicated each of these teachers, including Karthar Rinpoche, as a collaborator in your many previous posts here.

            It is hard, for sure, to stand where you do- speaking the truth in the face a sect whose mask is very different than the faces that call the shots.

            Thanks for your blog- it’s excellent!


    • Jane

      It’s interesting that Situ Rinpoche will be in NY soon. It’s fascinating that some people seem to believe he will be Maitreya in a future incarnation. I guess it’s possible for any of us, but…

  2. St. Dennise

    Looks like Situ Rinpoche copped out.


    • Jackie

      Yes, but the Empire will strike back.

      • Martin

        Yes, where will they hit us that hurts.

        These soft-core teaching tours on environmentalism are pretty lame.

        Are they just trying to bore us to death AND charge large sums of money for attendance?

        Or with they try to control us with DKR’s social media guidelines?

        How will the empire of chauvinist lineage holders strike back?

        They won’t. They don’t care about us enough to want to destroy us, why, because we do that ourselves by not standing up to them.

        • Jackie

          It takes balls to stand up to T.S. and the powers that be. Only the late great Shamarpa could do it. The Empire will spread its credit card machines to the far corners of the planet.

          • Jackie,

            Answer me this.

            How old was Situ Rinpoche when the 16th Karmapa died?

            27 years old.

            Shamar Rinpoche?


            Neither Situ Rinpoche or Shamar Rinpoche, their so-called ‘Karmapa controversy’, in retrospect, was nothing more than two young men being played by a their 48 year old teacher, Thrangu Rinpoche.

            If anyone new their weaknesses it was Rinpoche.

            After the 16th Karmapa passed away it was Thrangu Rinpoche whom Chen Li-an reached out to on behalf of the Chinese Government.

            Neither Situ nor Shamar were directly involved in what in fact happened.

            Other than for show.

            It was indeed quite a spectacle they made of themselves, arguing over who got to ‘recognize’ the 16th Karmapa’s successor,
            a competition between themselves, a sibling-like rivalry, that was never more then two young men acting out their differences, if you examine what in fact happened, how China came to enthrone Ogyen Trinley Dorje as 17th Karmapa.

            The money that so concerns us here, billions of dollars hidden in off shore accounts, money from Taiwanese elites in favor of Taiwan’s unification with Mainland China, was but an unintended consequence of Thrangu Rinpoche’s collaborating with the Chinese Government to name Ogyen Trinley Dorje the 17th Karmapa, which henceforth established the precedent of China’s role as arbiter of succession for all sects of Tibetan Buddhism, thus effectively ending the Dalai Lama’s line of succession as such.

            We know this thanks to the Panama Papers, irrefutable proof that Ogyen Trinley Dorje’s Karma Kagyu sect has hidden it’s windfall from collaborating with the Chinese Government to end Tibetan resistance to Tibet’s occupation.



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