Ogyen Trinley Dorje in jail may well be just what we need as Buddhists 

Picture of Karma Pakshi, Gyalwa Karmapa, in his day jailed by the Mongols

“If the Karmapa were to end up in jail,” Osel says, “we would return to our proper seat as Karma Kagyu.”

“Very old school,” Japhy replies, “guru yoga in its truest form.”

“It would be as if His Holiness were living out Karma Pakshi’s story,” Osel continues, “the ultimate guru yoga, not what passes for guru yoga these days.”

“Ogyen Trinley Dorje in jail,” Osel continues, “may well be just what we need as Buddhists at this point in our history.”

“These fancy gilt thrones, private jets and four star hotels only corrupt who we really are as dharma practitioners.”

Osel pauses.

“May we return to the days of Karma Pakshi and be done forever with the construct of the Gyalwa Karmapa as Dharmaraja.” 

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Despite money laundering and tax evasion charges Karmapa to visit Germany

Picture of what may await Ogyen Trinley Dorje upon his return to India if found guilty of money laundering and tax evasion 

“When I lived in India a German friend of mine was notorious for speaking out against corruption in our respective monasteries,” Osel says, “much to the chagrin of those Tibetans that failed to appreciate her doing so, not that it stopped her.”

“My wife and I had a friend from Bremen visit the other evening,” Japhy replies, “I’m surprised Ogyen Trinley Dorje is even being allowed to visit Germany given the German attitude about the rule of law.”

“Germans as a rule take issue with people who launder money and evade paying their taxes,” Japhy continues, “what Ogyen Trinley Dorje has been charged of doing in India.”

“I would assume that most Germans would have a hard time relating to the way Tibetans bend the rules,” Osel continues, “I just hope this time the Kamalashila Institute reserved enough seats, and not just at the sponsor and corporate sponsor level like last time.”

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Ogyen Trinley Dorje will be in Bonn, Germany, August 27-30, 2015

Picture of Ogyen Trinley Dorje, controversial leader of Karma Kagyu sect, to stand trial in India for money laundering and tax evasion

“Ogyen Trinley Dorje will be in Bonn, Germany,” Osel says, “for four days, August 27-30, hosted by the Kamalashila institute.”

“Thanks for the heads up,” Japhy replies, “four days with the Karmapa, tickets available, while they last.”


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Remember that time when Kalu Yangsi spoke out about being sexually abused as a child

  Picture of Kalu Yangsi who was criticized for coming out as an adult about his being sexually abused as a child in his own monastery 

“Several years ago I was eating in a dining hall for the teachers at the monastery of a very senior lineage holder.”

Osel pauses.

“Yangsi Kalu Rinpoche’s story of his being abused as a child was rather fresh.”

“He was raped in his own monastery as a child,” Japhy adds, “let’s not shy away from what happened to him as a child.”

Osel continues.

“When I asked my lunch mates what they thought of him the reactions were so strong that I thought a brawl would ensue.”

“At the end of the day most present thought that Kalu Rinpoche had been an embarrassment,” Osel pauses, “that he was wrong for criticizing the system.”


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The Karma Kagyu sect knew what it was doing in 1991 when it repatriated the late Karmapa to China 

  Picture of Ogyen Trinley Dorje after being recognized by China as the 17th Karmapa in 1991

“If in 1991 the Karma Kagyu sect was duped into repatriating the late Rangjung Rikpe Dorje to China,” Tenzin says, “this is the fault not of Tibetans but that of China’s rulers who obviously got the better of them.”

“We’ve no reason to believe that the Karma Kagyu sect was so duped in 1991,” Osel responds, “given the sect’s history with the rulers of China the Karma Kagyu sect knew exactly what it was doing at the time.”


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Remember that time when the Mongols first occupied Tibet as China’s rulers

 Picture of Karma Pakshi, 1204-1283, the last Karmapa to have a beard

“If you know your history of the Gyalwa Karmapas of Tibet,” Jonathan says, “the Karma Kagyu sect’s repatriating the late Rangjung Rikpe Dorje to China makes perfect sense.”

“There’s a history between the Gyalwa Karmapa of Tibet and the rulers of China,” Jonathan continues, “that goes back to when the ruler of China hung Karma Pakshi by his beard in the 13th century.”

“That had to hurt,” Japhy replies, “but beside the point.”

Japhy pauses.

“Ogyen Trinley Dorje repatriating the late Traleg Rinpoche, a Diaspora Tibetan, to the very place he fled” Japhy continues “notwithstanding any historical precedent, it simply doesn’t feel right.”

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Did Ogyen Trinley Dorje really risk his life to escape the Chinese?

  Picture of Tibetans who smuggled Ogyen Trinley Dorje into India from Tsurphu monastery in Chinese occupied Tibet

“Thankfully, for Ogyen Trinley Dorje to repatriate the late Bokar Rinpoche to China,” Osel says, “given His Holiness had just escaped the Chinese himself would have been unthinkable in 2004.”

“Today the Karmapa is obviously on board with repatriating diaspora Rinpoches to their monasteries in China,” Osel continues,” as his Karma Kagyu sect did to his predecessor the late Rangjung Rikpe Dorje in 1991.”

Osel pauses.

“It really is hard to believe that His Holiness could go there with our Traleg Rinpoche,” Nigel adds, “if he really did risk his life to escape the Chinese on December 28, 1999 like he claims.”

“That is some cold shit Ogyen Trinley Dorje did to Rinpoche,” Nigel continues, “repatriating someone we know to have risked his life to flee the Chinese diaspora to bloody fucking China of all places.”   

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