7 months after India gave him his walking papers, China’s disgraced 17th Karmapa’s uncertain future

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Government agencies had for long suspected that the Karmapa was a “Chinese spy”, but a decision was recently taken to review the restrictions on his travel in an attempt to “engage” him.  Indianexpress.com

So “engaged” by the Indian Government China’s 17th Karmapa fled India in disgrace to an undisclosed location abroad in the United States, a Chinese active measure, his cover blown and on the run.

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China’s disgraced 17th Karmapa, who among us enabled this fraud ? I’m talking to you Ponlop Rinpoche

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”Ogyen Trinley Dorjee, the 17th Karmapa, has been running into controversies since his recognition as the head of the Kagyu Sect and his mysterious escape from Chinese controlled Tibet to India.

Row over recognition

Ogyen Trinley Dorjee was born on June 26, 1985, in a nomad community of Bakor in Eastern Tibet. He was recognised as reincarnation of the 16th Karmapa by Dalai Lama in June 1992.
However, one of the prominent teachers of Kagyu, Shamar Rinpoche, refused to recognise Ogyen Trinley Dorjee as the 17th Karmapa. He instead claimed that Thaye Trinley Dorjee was the real 17th Karmapa.

In May 2012, the Himachal government issued directions against referring Ogyen \Trinley Dorjee as Karmapa in an official communcation. The directions were issued in response to a communication by the Una administration in which it had referred to Ogyen Trinley Dorjee as the 17th Karmapa. Shamar Rinpoche had also raised objections.

Later, a third candidate, Dava Sangpo Dorjee, also claimed for the office and title. At present, he is in Nepal. The situation has split up Kagyu followers all over the world.

However, despite repeated pleas from Shamar Rinpoche, Dalai Lama and the Central Tibetan Administration recognised Ogyen Trinley Dorjee as the 17th Karmapa.

Controversy surrounding escape from China

Ogyen Trinley Dorjee escaped Tsurphu monastery in Tibet on December 28,1999. He arrived at Dharamsala on January 5, 2000, after trekking about 1,100 kilometres escaping the Chinese Army. Tai Situ Rinpoche, one of the teachers of Kagyu school, reportedly managed the escape of Ogyen Trinley Dorjee from China. He wanted to take him to Rumtek Monastery in Sikkim that is the traditional seat of Karmapas or the Black Hat Lamas in India. The assets of monastery are pegged at Rs 1,500 crore. However, the Union government did not allow Ogyen Trinley Dorjee to move to Rumtek allegedly under the influence of Shamar Rinpoche.
At Dharamsala, Ogyen Trinley Dorjee was kept in Gyoto Tantric Monastery under the vigil of intelligence and security agencies. He was not allowed to move to other parts of the country and foreign countries for many years.

Many doubted that Ogyen Trinley Dorjee could escape from Tibet with the knowledge of the authorities who were keeping an eye on him.

It was only in the last few years that the Indian government allowed Ogyen Trinley Dorjee to travel to other parts of the country and abroad. He still can’t visit Rumtek Monastery.

The cash controversy

In January 2011, the Una police caught the driver of a Dharamsala-based businessman with Rs 1 crore. The cash pertained to a land deal between the Karma Garchen Trust headed by Ogyen Trinley Dorjee and the businessman. Following the seizure, the Una police raided the Gyoto Tantric Monastery where the 17th Karmapa had been staying since his escape from China in 1999.
During the raids, the police recovered Rs 6 crore in 26 currencies and Rs 53 lakh in Indian currency from the Gyoto Tantric monastery.” timesofindia.com

In addition to the above scandals:

The Panama Papers, his use of the Kagyu Monlam Prayer Festival to launder money for his Chinese Benefactor.

Said benefactor’s take over KTD, we now now why Tenzin Chonyi mortgaged it, to launder money.

The apostacy of Jamgon Kongtrol the Fourth and the ongoing cover up of what really happpend, “His Holiness,” must prove that he wasn’t abused as a child.

I believe the child.

Speaking of Buddhist monks raping children, let us not forget the monks that raped Kalu Rinpoche today middle aged men have presumably continued to abuse young monks under their authority, all said children presumably under the protection of China’s 17th Karmapa.

We are talking about the cover up of a sexual abuse scandal of historic proportions.

Speaking of examples of historic sexual abuse.

We have the over 30 years of Sexual Misconduct of Lama Norlha under said Karmapa’s watch, his sangha groomed female members to be sexually abused by their lama for decades.

I believe the women.

I’m talking to you Ponlop Rinpoche.

We’re having a cultural moment here in the West when it comes to fraud and sexual abuse.

You’re 17th Karmapa is bad on both.

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“Gen X teachers from across traditions are transforming the vision and landscape of American Buddhism”

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Buddhadharma: The generation of teachers before us is largely reaching retirement age; we’re approaching a changing of the guard. What do you feel that generation has accomplished in terms of establishing dharma in the West? And what do you see as coming next?

Rod Owens: The older generation of teachers in my tradition literally built our monasteries and retreat centers here in the West. My own monastery was built, by hand, by the first group of senior practitioners in my sangha. The first generation of Western lamas had to overcome such tremendous obstacles to enter into training. I’m deeply grateful for that, and awed by it. They made it possible for me to enter into retreat and get exposure to these particular teachings.
While they’ve given us a lot and established a lot, I’m also very sensitive to how this first generation of lamas has reproduced certain kinds of power structures that are very much a part of traditional Tibetan Buddhism but are problematic for Western communities. I think the next stage for us is to interrogate how we have reproduced different kinds of power abuse within our sanghas, and to really question the structures of patriarchy, racism, and capitalism so we can move toward a more liberating, diverse, community-based dharma. lionsroar.com

As a Baby Boomer lama I disagree with Rod’s characterization of my generation’s relationship with Tibetan tradition. As a senior disciple of Khenpo Karthar Rinpoche as I remember it Tibetan tradition wasn’t for us. The first Three year retreat at KTD was an unmitigated disaster. Lives were ruined. And so on. As I remember it was the GenX “Pay to Play” generations that embraced the Tibetan Tradition. Rod’s generation paid for their robes. They sold out the promise of the swan coming to the lake generation I represent when they bought their robes.

Lama Rod’s guru is Lama Norlha, the Harvey Weinstein of Tibetan Buddhism. As such he is part of the problem. He needs to own this. What Tibetan Buddhism has become, an apology for dictatorship, financial fraud and sexual abuse is not my generation’s fault. My generation of disciplies of today’s most senior Tibetan masters want nothing to do with what Tibetan Buddhism has become. We saw in Tibetan Buddhism an alternative to the religions we were raised in. We wanted nothing to do with Tibetan tradition. That wasn’t what we were about. And our Rinpoches, given the circumstances, following the example of the 16th Karmapa taught us how to practice on our terms. I was the first of Khenpo Karthar Rinpoche’s disciples to receive Karma Chakme’s lineage of mahamudra from him. I was just a kid, the one of us least impressed with him. He saw the lama in me.

I had questions for Khenpo Karthar Rinpoche and I expected answers. I wasn’t looking for a father figure. My step father burst that bubble for me. Khenpo Karthar Rinpoche was different than my previous mentor, the Sociologist Charles Lemert, I was his research assistant on his book about French Sociology. I gave my nose rope to neither of my mentors. I was different from my fellow disciples. But being different from each other was the norm of the day for my generation of lamas. Today’s most senior Rinpoches as middle aged lamas appreciated where my generation was coming from, drawing upon Karma Chakme and adapting to their circumstances without reference to Tibetan tradition.

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Good question from Tibetan Buddhist Twitter : “In this day of outing sexual predators, why are Tibetan Buddhists getting a free pass?”

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“In this day of outing sexual predators, why are Tibetan Buddhists getting a free pass? Trungpa enabled so much bad behavior. Let’s emulate the wisdom, not the crazy.” @anyane

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Tibetan Buddhism today is a dictatorship friendly rebranding of Gandhi’s doctrine of non-violence but instead of promoting civil disobedience it promotes fraud and sexual abuse

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One need look no further than China’s 17th Karmapa.

Lama Norlha, the Harvey Weinstein of Tibetan Buddhism, is still a Karma Kagyu in good standing, thanks to “His Holiness”.

And let us not forget how the Panama Papers caught “His Holiness” laundering money for the Chinese.

All the peace and harmony in the world but instead of equality and justice won by non-violent civil disobedience Buddhism offers instead fraud and sexual abuse with inequality and injustice for all, our Tibetan Buddhism today.

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His followers in America now have their 17th Karmapa at KTD but Buddhists here shun “His Holiness” since his being busted by the Panama Papers laundering money for the Chinese

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Nobody wants to associate themselves with Asian Buddhists these days.

We want nothing to do with Buddhists that don’t share our values.

The Buddhists of Myanmar whom rape and murder Muslim women an children.

Buddhists such as China’s 17th Karmapa caught by the Panama Papers laundering money.

These are Buddhists leader whom no self respecting Buddhist here want to associate themselves with, obviously.

The honeymoon is over for these Buddhists in Western Buddhism.
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“Revealed: Dalai Lama’s ‘personal emissary’ suspended over corruption claims”

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“Dhonden, 53, strongly disputes the allegations. In a move that shows how seriously he regards the potential impact of the claims against him, the quiet monk, who is respected in Dharamsala, the hill town in India which hosts the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader, has contracted Patterson Belknap, a major New York City law firm to defend him.

Attorneys for the law firm said in an email that the allegations against their client relate to events that “occurred nearly a decade ago, are largely inaccurate and otherwise relate to conduct that is not unlawful, unethical, or even inappropriate”. They added in the email the allegations have been “designed to falsely and unfairly tarnish” Dhonden’s reputation. A source close to the monk said any payments he received were for legitimate work done and business expenses.

Those lawyers are now locked in a behind-the-scenes battle with Daniel Kranzler, the Seattle businessman and philanthropist who claims that for several years he felt pressured into making payments to the monk, including some he alleges were made in cash to avoid leaving a trace. theguardian.com

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Karmapa Thaye Dorje’s statement on the Rohingya crisis

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“In life, it is normal to experience misunderstandings and doubtful feelings. When those experiences arise, we must not try to cover them up or suppress them – they are unstoppable. And so when they arise, we should let them rise on their own, and then let them fall on their own.

The more we try to resist emotions and postpone them from rising, the worse they get – they fester. It is this aspect of postponing emotions that causes real anxiety, and as a result one could ruminate more and more, and this then has the potential to transform into something violent.
In this situation people may even use the name of religion, philosophy, science or even race to justify acting on those emotions. Therefore, we must find the courage to let our emotions rise and fall naturally, just as a storm rises and sets on its own. For a storm never acts with an agenda or intention.

So, when emotions arise, we must never act upon them, for then we are caught in the storm. Instead, we can observe them, and let them settle on their own. In this way, we will help prevent any further suffering.” Karmapa.org

China’s 17th Karmapa supports the Chinese position. Birds of a feather flock together.

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In India money laundering disgraced Chinese Karmapa back in court for hiding stash of dirty money in suitcases in Dalai Lama’s Monastery 

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”The matter was discussed at length among the various government departments and it was decided that in light of the Karmapa’s importance and in order not to upset relations between India and the Tibetan Government-in-Exile, the state would withdraw prosecution against the leader,” Senior advocate JS Attri – representing Himachal Pradesh, said. dnaindia.com

He’s guilty but the Indian Government is deffering to the Tibetan Government in exile. Clout. This is petty criminality compared to his laundering money for the Chinese. His career as a criminal began with him using the Dalai Lama’s money to hide suitcases of foreign currency like a Tibetan Tony Soprano.

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Disgraced Tibetan Buddhist teacher finds amusement in the sexual abuse of women 

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“Dzongsar Jamyang Khyentse, often addressed with the honorific “Rinpoche” and also known as Khyentse Norbu, is a well known Buddhist teacher, writer, and filmmaker from Bhutan. He caused ripples in the Tibetan Buddhist communities in August when he wrote a rambling 10,000 word-long letter both defending Sogyal Lakar’s abusive actions from within the Vajrayana context and questioning the very credentials that Lakar claimed to hold.”


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